15. Chaos Communication Congress HOWTO/FAQ 1.4
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1. GENIKES PLIROFORIES
1.1 Ti einai to Chaos Communication Congress
1.2 Pou kai pote tha ginetai to Congress
1.3 Pies einai oi ores litouriasPote na arxiso na etimaso to ta3idi
1.4 Einai kati gia mena to Congress
1.5 Mporo kai ego na boh8so sto Congress
1.6 Tupos & dokumenta
1.7 erotisis sto 8ema glossas.
2. PRAKTIKES PLIROFORIES
2.1 afi3i me to traino
2.2 afi3i me to ama3i
2.3 pos pao apo to berolino sto Congress
2.4 pos mporo na bro kapion, o opios na paei kai autos sto Congress me to ama3i (gia na me parei mazi)
2.5 Pou 8a bro dianyxtebresi
3 EISODOS KAI TIMES
3.1 Times eisodou kai dilosi simetoxeis.
3.2 Kosto diatrofis
3.3 Epitrepetai na fero to Computer mazi mou
3.4 einai ta pragmata mou asfalismena
4 CONGRESSNET
4.1 Iparxei Internet sto Congress
4.2 Pos lambano mia IP-dieu8ensi kai DNS-eisodos
4.3 Ti prosonta xriasetai to Computer mou gia to CongressNet
4.4 Pies Yperesies kai protokola mporo na metaxiristo sto CongressNet
4.5 Iparoun Kanones simperiforas sto CongressNet
4.6 8elo na metaxiristo mia WebCam. Pos ginetai
5 GENIKA
5.1 Pos mporo na lambano prosfates plirofories gia to Congress
5.2 Pos dilono Erga sto Congress
5.3 Sto katalogo edo (FAQ) iparxei eina la8os
1 genikes plirofories
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1.1 Ti einai to Chaos Communication Congress
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To Computer Communication Congress einai ena trimero Congress
peri technologias, koinonika kai outopies. To Congress dinei seminaria
kai Workshops gia mia pli8ora apo 8emata gio apo tin pliroforikitexnologia,
asfalia sto Computer, Internet, kriptografia kai genika gia tin
kritiki-dimourikia me tin texnologia auti, kai sas kali gia ton
anixto dialogo peri auta ta 8emata.
Sto Hackcenter mporei o ka8ena na sundesi to diko tou Computer
ne to Congress-duktio oste na mporei na antalasi parkties empiries
me allous (des 3.3). To Chaos-Arxeio sas dinei dokoumenta apo
ta teleutaia 20 xronia peri Computer kai Istoria apo tin Hackszene.
Yparoun kai fototipika mixanimata, oste na mporeite na kanete
tis dikes antigrafes. To Congress einai ti simio sinantiseos ths
Hackszene, einai omos kai gia an8ropous apo tin oikonomia, politiki
kai gia tin koinonia.
To Chaos Communication Congress (ccc) einai mia diorganosi tou
Chaos Comuter Club e.V. (ccc)
Paralila sto Congress ginetai kai to 2ero Germaniko Prota8lima
sto anoigma klidarion. Plirofories gia ton diagonismo tou sylogou
Sportsfreunde der Speertechnik Deutschland e.V. brisketai sto
diktio http://www.ssdev.org .
1.2 Pou kai pote tha ginetai to Congress
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To Congress ginatai autin tin fora sto Berolino :Haus Am Köllnischen Park.
15. Chaos Communikations Congress
27, 28 kai 29 dekembriou 1998
Haus Am Köllnischen Park (HAKP)
(Tagungszentrum Berolini-mesi)
Am Köllnischen Park 6-7
10179 Berlin
O xoros autos parexei persiotero xoro apo to palio "Eidelstedter
Bürgerhaus". 3exilismenes a8ouses anikoun sto parel8on. eidietera
to Hackcenter parexei arketo xoro kai gia ta dika sas erga (des
5.2).
1.3 Pies einai oi ores litouriasPote na arxiso na etimaso to ta3idi
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H eisodos einai anixti apo tis 09 Ora mexri stis 22 Ora. Oi egdiloseis
arxisoun stis 10 Ora kai teleionoun stis 18 Ora. Stis 19 Ora 8a
kloisoun oi poiles ton Workshop. Stis 22 Ora 8a kloido8ei h kendriki
eisodos.
Apo tis 9 Ora mporeite na pate sto kafeneio -Chaoscafé- gia proino. To Chaoscafé prosferei sesto fai mexri stis 18 ORA. Meta apo autin tin Ora
eiparxoun mikra fagita kai pota gia poulisi.
Gia osous fernoun texnika mesa mazi tous, mporoun na er8oun apo
tis 26 dekembio stin egdilosi. Peri texnika des 3.3
1.4 Einai kati gia mena to Congress
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To Congress strefete se ola ta "Onta"autis tis galaxias ta opia
exoun endiaferon gia kritiki kai dirmourigiki diaxirismo me tin
texnologia. To Congress einai gia Fraks kai gia Axarious kata
to idio poso kai dinei gia ton ka8ena endiaferon Workshops kai
diale3eis. Opoios den exei ore3ei gia pola logia, mporei kalista
na perasei autes ths 3 meres sto Hackcenter.
Mia syra apo ekdiloseis einai gia axarios kai ala pali einai gia
proxorimenous. Oles oi diale3eis sas dinoun thn dynatotita na
symetexetai kai na pro8etai tis dikes sas idaies. To Congress
eisai esy.
Ean 8eleis na ftia3eis diki sou diale3ei h workshop, tote pes
mas to, osta na yparxei arketos xoros gia thn texniki pou xreisetai
(des 5.2)
1.5 Mporo kai ego na boh8so sto Congress
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NAI ! psaxnoume gia olo to xroniko diastima tou Congress CHAOS-ANGELOI
oi opoioi 8a mas boh8hsoun sta diafora erga. San CHAOS-ANGELOS
den exeis mono douleies, mono pou kai pou 8a se parakalesoume
gia diafores boh8eies. CHAOS-ANGELOI plhronoun ligotero eishtirio
(23,- DM) kai lambanoun dwrean eine T-Shirt mas (oso yparxei)
Ean exetai endiaferon steilte mas mia E-Mail <engel@ccc.de>
1.6 Tupos & dokumenta
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To Congress eixei diko tou tupo, kai xoro gia ta egrafa. O Topos
diafila3eos egrafon ftiaxnei oso perisotero mporei pola dokoumenta
apo ta diafora Workshops kai diale3eis kai dinei tis plirofories
autes amesos ston tupo. ola auta ta dokoumenta briskonte epita
sto Server tou CCC.
Leptomereis plirofories gia atoma tou Tupou briskontai sto
http://www.ccc.de/congress/presse.html
Mia Online-Aithsh gia ton tupo brisketai sto
http://www.ccc.de/congress/presse_anmeldung.html
1.7 erotisis sto 8ema glossas.
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Kata geniko kanona ginontai oles oi diale3eis kai Workshops sthn
germaniki glossa. Dystixos den yparei metafrash. Merikes diale3eis
kai Workshops ginintai sta agglika. Auto diafainetai sto programma
mas. Ek gnosis einai to poso apo international symetoxes plousio,
eiika apo tin europi. Perimenoume poles symetoxes apo ta kratoi
ollandia, austria, polonia, tschechia,elbetia kai oungaria . Ala
kai apo thn galia, italia, spania kai dainemark , sfedia 8a er8oun
atoma. Problimata me tin glosssa den 8a yparei, edo mporei o ka8enas
na milaei agglika.
2 praktikes plirofories
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2.1 afi3i me to traino
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Sto berolino ftanis aneta me to ICE grammes apo Hanobero, nournbergi,
kai hambourgo. Ta persisotera traina stamatane oso sto Stafmo
"Zoologischer Garten"sto dutiko xoro tis poleos, oso kai sto
anatoliko stafmo "Friedrichshain". Deste gia kalitero mia matia
sto xarti tou trainou
http://bahn.hafas.de
Opoios 8elei na pai katef8eian sto Congress, na katebei ean ginetai
sto anatoliko sta8mo. Sto anatoliko sta8mo pairnis to leoforio
240 kai ketebainis stin stasi "U Heinrich-Heine-Strasse". Apo
edo einai momo merika bimata merxi to HAKP. Ka8e 20 lepta yparei
leoforio (kata ora ergasias ka8e 10 lepta). ean den yparei leoforio,
tote painis to tram merxri tin stasi "S Jannowitzbr¨cke"apo ekei einai kapou 100 metra.
Opoio traino stamatei ston stafmo "Zoologischer Garten"mporei
na parei apo ekei kateu8eian to Metro (U2) mexri tin stash "Märkisches Museum". Apo ekei einai kapou 100 metra mexri to HAKP.
Ena xarti brisketai sto
https://www.ccc.de/congress98/anreise.html
2.2 afi3i me to ama3i
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Sto berolini ftanoun poloi autokinitodromoi, oi opoi 8as fernoun
sto "Berliner Ring"(A10). Analoga apo to pou erxosaste, yparoun
diafores lyseis.
(Agoraste to kalitero enan NEO xarth tou berolino, giti oi palaioi
xartes logo tou pesimou tou tyxou, den einai pia sosti. Me palaious
xartes 8a perdeutitai.)
->Afi3ei apo A24 h A11 (the direct route)
Edo 8a pate kalitera stin diastaubrosh "Autobahndreieck PANKOW"
(e3odos 32) sthn A114. Auth ligh meta apo merika xiliometra sthn
"Prenzlauer Promenade"(normal dromos), epita apei sthn "Prenzlauer
Allee". Olo eufia merxrei sthn plateia "Alexanderplatz". Ekei
mposta apo to 3enodoxeio "Forum Hotel"aristera, epita de3eia
kai amesos aristera. Tora briskosaste stin odo "Alexanderstrasse",
h opia sas fernei pano apo mia gefira. pernate apo KATO apo thn
gefira sthn odo "Brückenstrasse". stribetai ston deutero dromo de3eia (Rungestrasse)
kai amesos aristera ston dromo "Am Köllnischen Park". Here you are.
->Afi3ei apo A2 h A9 (the scenic route)
Apo thn dysi afinetai tin A10 sto trigono "Dewitz"kai pate sthn
A115 (Avus) pros berolino kendro. Merika xiliometra eufia. Pata
prosorina sto A100 pros hambourgo (!) afinetai meta apo merika
100 metra ton dromo auton e3odos "Kaiserdamm"kai akolou8ate tis
pinakides gia "Kaiserdamm". Sto Kaiserdamm aristera pros ANATOLI
kai olo eu8eia pros "Brandenburger Tor"
(Oti prepi gia touristes :-)
To Brandenburger Tor, den mporitai apo authn thn meria na tin
diaperasete e3i aneta, oste prei mposta apo thn Pylh na kanete
de3eia gia na 3anabghte sto dromo (LINDEN).Olo pros analoth pernate
to palaio anaktoro kai kapote de3eia stin odo"Spandauer Strasse".
Pernate to kokkino dimarxeio opos kai stis epomenes duo diastaubroseis
sthn odo "Stralauer Strasse"mexri sthn gefira tou tram. Kato
apo thn gefira kai stin epomenh diastaubrosi de3eia (palh pernate
apo kato thn gefira) kai pate stin odo "Brückenstrasse". Thn deuterh odo de3eia (Rungenstrasse) kai amessos
aristera stin odo "AM Köllnischen Park". Here you are.
->Afi3ei apo A12 kai A13 (the unspectacular route)
Apo thn A13 eufia sthn A113 mesa sto berolino. Apo thn A12 pate
sto A10 kai stribetai sthn diaustaubrosi "Schönefelder Kreuz"sthn A113. h A113 leigi meta apo xroniko diastima
sthn B96a (pros berolino kendro). To dromo auto olo eufia, akolou8ate
tin kampsi guro apo ton "Treptower Park"kai sunexisetai ton dromo
pou eisastan merxri pou nafrasetai kato apo mia gefira tou tram.
Kai pali, olo eufia. O dromos auto alasei poles fores to onoma
tou , Puschkinallee, Schlesische Straße, Köpenicker Straße. Pros to telos tou dromou Köpenicker Straße diastaubronetai ton dromo "Brückenstraße/Heinrich-Heine-Straße". Sto epomeno dromo de3eia "AM
Köllnischen Park". Here you are.
2.3 pos pao apo to berolino sto Congress
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Stasi Metrou "U Heinrich-Heine-Straße"(U8, leoforio 240, 265)
einai h pio kali eklogi gia na pate sto Congress. Einai momo merika
metra apo to Spiti "Haus AM Kllnischen Park".
Oi Staseis "U Märkisches Museum"(U2) kai "S Jannowitzbrücke"(briskontai merika metra pio pera)
Odoigies kai xartes tou BVG brisketai sto
http://www.fahrinfo-berlin.de/fahrinfo/de/abfrage.htm
2.4 pos mporo na bro kapion, o opios na paei kai autos sto Congress
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me to ama3i (gia na me parei mazi)
Emeis den dinoume tropo metraforas, ala sto WEB o Thorsten Fenk
exei mia selida gia auto (euxaristo gia auto).
Opoios 8elei na brei kapoin o opios 8a ton parei mazi, mporei
na dei :
http://www.tasam.com/~fenkt/gesuche.html
Opoios 8elei na parei kapoion mazi tou, na dei:
http://www.tasam.com/~fenkt/mfg.html
Opoios den briskei tipota aus rotisei sta Newsgroups de.org.ccc
2.5 Pou 8a bro dianyxtebresi
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A. NO BUDGET
Gia poli mikra portofolia den exoume brei akoma lysi, als kati
8a broume opos kao persi.
B. SMALL BUDGET
Sto berolino yparxoun merika Backpacker-Hotels me kosto gia mia
nyxta giro sta 22-38 marka se ena h piopola krebatia sto domatio.
kata protimisi kleiste domatio, giati mporei na mi yparxei logou
Congress sto epita.
Ta epomena eina kata apostasei apo to Congress:
Jugendgästehaus des DSJ (DM 38,50 pro Person)
Franz-Künstler-Straße 4-10, 10969 Berlin (Kreuzberg)
Tel +49 (30) 6151007, Fax +49 (30) 6146339
Frederik's Hostel (DM 22-DM 35 pro Person)
Straße der Pariser Kommune 35 , 10243 Berlin (Friedrichshain)
Tel +49 (30) 29669450, Fax +49 (30) 29669452
http://www.frederiks.de
Circus The Hostel (DM 25-DM 38 pro Person)
Am Zirkus 2/3, D-10117 Berlin (Mitte)
Tel +49 (30) 28391433, Fax +49 (30) 28391484
http://www.mind.de/circus
Backpacker Hostel Berlin (DM 25-DM 38 pro Person)
Chausseestrasse 102, 10115 Berlin (Mitte)
Tel +49 (30) 2625140, Fax +49 (30) 28390935
http://www.backpacker.de
Jugendgästehaus Berlin (DM 32 pro Person)
Kluckstraße 3, 10785 Berlin (Tiergarten)
Tel +49 (30) 2611098, Fax +49 (30) 2650383
http://www.jugendherberge.de/kluckstr.html
Lette'm sleep 7 (DM 26-DM 45 pro Person)
Lettestraße 7, 10478 Berlin (Prenzlauer Berg)
Tel +49 (30) 44733623, Fax +49 (30) 44733625
http://www.daland.com/bp/
C. RELAXED
Gia auton pou diafeuti kati lefta parapano, yparxoun kai edo merika
oikonomika 3enodoxeia.
Sto katalogo einai h times gia momo- kai duoloklino krebati:
Hotel zur Reichspost (EZ 65, DZ 90)
Urbanstraße 84, 10967 Berlin (Kreuzberg)
Tel +49 (30) 6911035, Fax +49 (30) 6937889
Gute Verbindung mit der U8
Hotel Garni Am Anhalter Bahnhof (EZ: DM 80)
(4/5-Bettenzimmer komplett für DM 40 pro Person)
Stresemannstraße 36, 10963 Berlin (Kreuzberg)
Tel +49 (30) 2510342, Fax +49 (30) 2514897
Pension Kreuzberg (EZ: DM 70)
Großbeerenstraße 64, 10963 Berlin (Kreuzberg)
Tel +49 (30) 2511362, Fax +49 (30) 2510638
3 Eisodos kai times
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3.1 Times eisodou kai dilosi simetoxeis.
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Sto Congress mporeite na mpeite eite gia mia Hmera, h gia oloi
tin diarkia. Opoios 8elei lambanei kai apodei3h.
Epagelmaties opos kai meloi tou tupou lambanun mia apodei3h opos
kai dokoumenta peri tou Congress.
Dauerkarten (gia oloi tin diarkia tou Congress)
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"Ideal Standard" DM 42,-
Ma8eites, fandraoi, synta3iouxoi DM 36,-
Meloi tou CCC e.V. DM 23,-
Meloi tou SSD e.V. DM 23,-
Chaosengel DM 23,-
Tupos DM 75,-
Epagelmateies DM 230,-
Tageskarten (gia mia Hmera)
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"Ideal Standard" DM 20,-
Ma8eites, fandraoi, synta3iouxoi DM 15,-
Meloi tou CCC e.V. 8a fainontai stis listes mas, h oloia lista
8a brisketai sto tameio kai 8a periexei olous pou pliosane thn
symetoxei tous mexri sths 15.12.98. Meloi tou SSD e.V. prepei
na mas di3oun thn tautotita symetoxeis tous.
Opoios 8elei na dilosi tin symetoxei tou, h na plirosei apo tora
to eisitirio, mporei na kanei metabibasi sto konto tou Chaos Computer
Club e.V. :
Kontoinhaber: Chaos Computer Club e.V.
Kontonummer: 599090-201
BLZ: 200 100 20
Institut: Postbank Hamburg
Verwendungszweck: "CCC98 <YOUR-NAME-HERE>"
Parakaloume na feretai tin apodei3h mazi mas sto Congress. Xoris
tin apodi3ei apo tin trapeza den mporoume na anagnorisoume tin
pliromi sas.
Meloi tou SSD e.V. as dili8oun kalitera ston sylogo tous.
3.2 Kosto diatrofis
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H paragogie diatrofis den einai fetos sta xeria mas, parolou auta,
8a yparoun trofes se xamiles times stin Cafeteria mas. Ekos fai
8a yparei kai kafes opos kai anapsixtika.
3.3 Epitrepetai na fero to Computer mazi mou
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Nai. Sto Hackcenter yparei arketos xoros. Ka8enas mporei na ferei
to Computer mazi tou, kai na to syndesei sto CongressNet (des
4).
Ola ta mhxanimata ta opoia den xorane stin tzepi (Desktops, Laptops,
o8ones etc. ala oxi Handys, Piloten etc.) prepei na doilo8oun
sto tameio. Ta mhxanimata auto mporoun tote mono na bgoun apo
to Congress ne thn apodei3h pou 8a labetai.
Opoios 8elei mporei na balei nia fotografia h to nummero tis tautotitas
tou sto Congressausweis osta na einai pio sygouros gia tin asfalia
ton mhxanimaton tou.
Mporeitai na parete ta mhxanimata sas piso kata tis ores 9 - 22
ora, me endei3h tou Congressausweis.
3.4 einai ta pragmata mou asfalismena
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Oi eisodoi sto Congress kai sto Hackcenter briskontai kato apo
parokou8hsh, kai 8a epitrapei mono h e3agogei apo pragmata ta
opoia briskontai kai pano sto egrafo eisagogies.
Parolou auta, den mporoume na sas dosoume asfalia (aposimiosi)
gia ta gragmata sas ean 8a klapoun. Opoios 8eile na asfalistei,
prepei na to kanei se ena idiotiko asfalistiko grafeio.
4 CongressNet
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4.1 Iparxei Internet sto Congress
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Nai ! Ola ta Computer sto Hackcenter sta Workshops kai stous xorous
diale3eis exoun Internet.
4.2 Pos lambano mia IP-dieu8ensi kai DNS-eisodos
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O ka8e symetoxos tou Congress mporei na labei sto Tameio mia (h
kai perisoteres) IP dieu8hnsis, autoi einai engupoi oso diarkei
to Congress. H ekdosei ginetai sumfona me RFC 2322.
http://info.internet.isi.edu:80/in-notes/rfc/files/rfc2322.txt
Opos kai, mporeitai sto Netzdezentrale sto Hackcenter na do8ei
ena DNS A-Record kato apo hc.congress.ccc.de Ne auto mporeite
na nay3etai ena Webserver h oti alo 8elete. DNS Numera dinontao
mono se sytimata ta opoia lytourgoun. Opois erxetai protos eixei
tin eklogi.
4.3 Ti prosonta xriasetai to Computer mou gia to CongressNet
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To CongressNet xrisimipoi kalodio 10 Base-T (Twisted Pair) me
RJ45-Buchsen. Me HUBS mporeite na ftia3ete auto pou 8elete. Den
yparxoun pola HUBS. fere mazi sou arketa HUBS kai kalodia kai
simiose to onoma sou epano se auta (kai telefono).
Skeftitai oti ta akolou8a yparei panta elima. Ean exetai kati
sto spiti sas h stin etairia sas, ferte to mazi sas:
- Ethernet Kalodio (Twisted Pair/Koax) (!)
- RJ45 fismata
- tanalies
- Hubs, Hubs, Hubs (!!)
- brises (!!!)
- kalodio gia reubma
ean mproume 8a sas dosoume oso ginetai 100 MBit/s syndeseis, als
den mpooume na to engisoume.
4.4 Pies Yperesies kai protokola mporo na metaxiristo sto CongressNet
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Genika mporeita na xreisimopisete ka8e protokollo tou Thernet.
Paralila sto IP mporeite na xreisimipisete kai AppleTalk, DECNET,
IPX/SPX, SNA, NETBIOS (NetBIOS/NetBEUI, NetBIOS/TCPBEUI) . Gia
to Internet ginetai mono to IP.
H eisodos sto Internet den eixe filtro. Opoios 8elei na zei isyxa,
8a prepei na ftia3h to diko tou Firewall, ala sigoura den eina
to Congress To meros gia na exei kaneis ebaistita stixeia sto
Computer tou.
Kalitera na mi exetai sto Computer sas tipota ebaistites plirofories.
Opoios 8elei meza apo to Congress na diabasei ta E-Mail tou, naxreisimopoise
kryptografiki gia ton POP3/IMAP4 h Telnet-Traffic. To Password
sto Congress einai 8urama.
4.5 Iparoun Kanones simperiforas sto CongressNet
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Genika oxi. Ala genika 8a preipi kai sto Congress na yparei filiko
klima. Filiki symperifora kai ston gitona sou einai normal.
Opoios nomise oti einai oraio na ekneurisei tous alous me Nukes
riskarei tin Ethernet karta tou. Ola kala kai oraia gia to Hacksport
ala mati enanti mati.
Parakaloume gia metria Ysxis sta megafona.
4.6 8elo na metaxiristo mia WebCam. Pos ginetai
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Sto Hackcenter yparei apoliti apagoreusi fotografias, oste kai
ta WebCam na ni epitrepontai.
5 Genika
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5.1 Pos mporo na lambano prosfates plirofories gia to Congress
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Oloes oi plirofories giro apo to Congress (opos kai auti h FAQ)
briskontai sto Home Page tou CCC kato apo tin dieu8ensh
https://www.ccc.de/congress
Opoios 8elei thn FAQ mezo E-Mail as grafti stin lista tou Chaos
Update Mailverteiler. Stelneis mia E-Mail sto
chaos-update-subscribe@lists.ccc.de
(a labeis mia automati E-Mail, tin opoia prepei na 3anasteilis,
kai tote 8a exeis engrfti stin lista gia na labeis to FAQ me E-Mail.
5.2 Pos dilono Erga sto Congress
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Ean 8eleis na kaneis diko sou Workshop h na labeis san Koreferent
se ena meros, grapse parakalo sto <andy@ccc.de>.
Erostisis me organitiko perioxomeno kante tes parakalo ston <tim@ccc.de>.
5.3 Sto katalogo edo (FAQ) iparxei eina la8os
---------------------------------------------
Tyxon la8oi parakalo ston <tim@ccc.de>euxaristo.
Metafrasi Andreas Koulis - wermaulwurf@bewachung.com